[Horsebow] GNAS (GB) proposed horse bow class

Thanks for that - I thought I'd sneak it in!!

What it's made me realise is that it's a far more difficult achievement to gain that level with an Asiatic style recurve against barebow scores. I'm barely scraping 2nd class scores with the SKB. The variation induced by using natural arrows and shooting off the hand means it's a very tough job to gain a decent classification in barebow with one of these. The BB scores are nearly three times as high as the longbow scores for Bowman.


Si2
Sorry to bounce an old thread, but can I just ask why the SKB doesn't qualify for "Recurve Traditional" (as opposed to "Recurve Barebow" in GNAS if you're using wooden* arrows?

* - you say "natural", so I'm assuming you mean woodies?
 


Si2

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I've done the same thing myself.
Maybe this is the class we need to refine for target for the horsebow.

As an aside I've written to GNAS twice asking what i need to do to convince them to create an Asiatic recurve target classification.
I've had no response.
I'll try again this week.
I'm basically asking them what needs to be collated/submitted in order to create a new classification.
I am sure there are a number of people willing to collect scores, write definitions, work out handicaps etc.
We just need to know what those activities are.


Si
 


Dorset Lass

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Ironman
I've done the same thing myself.
Maybe this is the class we need to refine for target for the horsebow.

As an aside I've written to GNAS twice asking what i need to do to convince them to create an Asiatic recurve target classification.
I've had no response.
I'll try again this week.
I'm basically asking them what needs to be collated/submitted in order to create a new classification.
I am sure there are a number of people willing to collect scores, write definitions, work out handicaps etc.
We just need to know what those activities are.


Si
Thanks for your continued efforts on this Si. I do hope that the GNAS consider this request properly.
 


Si2

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Thanks for your continued efforts on this Si. I do hope that the GNAS consider this request properly.
Me too - I'll send something else off after Christmas.
I see that there is a proposed American flatbow class for GNAS in the new archery UK magazine.
Not sure where the impetus for that came from - probably the field shooters, as I have seen a lot in the field events.
Field does seem to have a lot more categories.
Although this is a specific target class as well as FITA field.
Interesting that it has been proposed as a subset of 206 (English longbow) rather than a new number all together... I wonder if this is the start of GNAS phasing out the English longbow and a moving towards the FITA longbow.... Probably not - well I hope not anyway!

I'll be pinging off mails to all the parties mentioned in the proposed rules contacts section.

We may need to revisit the definition of asiatic recurve again and create something in the style of the GNAS list of attributes.

Sort of gives me hope that there is some way to get new styles adopted - here's one....
I'd love to know who was behind it and how they got to this stage!
I could do with some hints and tips.
SI
 


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Me too - I'll send something else off after Christmas.
I see that there is a proposed American flatbow class for GNAS in the new archery UK magazine.
Not sure where the impetus for that came from - probably the field shooters, as I have seen a lot in the field events.
Field does seem to have a lot more categories.
Although this is a specific target class as well as FITA field.
Interesting that it has been proposed as a subset of 206 (English longbow) rather than a new number all together... I wonder if this is the start of GNAS phasing out the English longbow and a moving towards the FITA longbow.... Probably not - well I hope not anyway!

I'll be pinging off mails to all the parties mentioned in the proposed rules contacts section.

We may need to revisit the definition of asiatic recurve again and create something in the style of the GNAS list of attributes.

Sort of gives me hope that there is some way to get new styles adopted - here's one....
I'd love to know who was behind it and how they got to this stage!
I could do with some hints and tips.
SI

I would suggest that that's a very good idea - if we can follow their systems then they'll have less work to do, and thus be more amenable to actually getting it implemented.
I suppose another method (if not suggested already?) would be to attend the AGM, if possible, and formally make the proposal?
 


mk1

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Supporter
I would suggest that that's a very good idea - if we can follow their systems then they'll have less work to do, and thus be more amenable to actually getting it implemented.
I suppose another method (if not suggested already?) would be to attend the AGM, if possible, and formally make the proposal?
You wouldn't have to turn up at the AGM with the proposal - unless it had already gone through the relevant committee it can't get brought in - so the next step I'd suggest is to contact the new Chair of Ops for advice. You would put forward the proposal to the relevant committee who would agree or not to publish the proposed addition to the rules in Archery UK and ask for comment just as they have done for the AFB, but the committee would have to be convinced that the rules was going to benefit enough members before they did this.

The new AFB class is to recognise all that WA do as we ought to - it says so in Archery UK :) Any country is also allowed to have other rounds and classes under its own rules so I can't see that there would ever be any intention of us not having a longbow class.
 


Si2

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The new AFB class is to recognise all that WA do as we ought to - it says so in Archery UK :)
Paul
Many thanks for the advice, any hints and tips are appreciated.
Can you just explain the sentance above though? It makes no sense to me...

Si
 


mk1

It's an X
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Paul
Many thanks for the advice, any hints and tips are appreciated.
Can you just explain the sentance above though? It makes no sense to me...

Si
OK :) - WA = World Archery - used to be called FITA

As the International Governing body they have a set of rules which they add to or change from time to time and AGB ought to keep in step which by and large we do or we would not have the 70m rounds and the new 50m rounds for Compounds.. WA brought in the AFB class (I know not when) and so it ought to be in the AGB Rule book too and accepted by AGB. I don't have my recent copy of the Archery UK to hand but I'm sure this need to keep in step with WA rules was cited as one of the reasons for adding the AFB class.
 


Si2

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Many thanks for clearing that up.
As far as I can remember there were no reasons cited in Archery - just a list of proposed ammendments. My copy is at home.

It's interesting to note that you consider this AGB catching up with WA (FITA).

I'm not sure FITA has an AFB class - don't they call it 'longbow'?

That depresses me a bit because I assumed it was AGB acting on a request from one, or some, of it's members...

Ho hum.
 


Just for clarification, has anything happened on this since last December?
and, without having time at this point to read the thread - was the use of a thumbring included in the proposed class specification?
 


Si2

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Just for clarification, has anything happened on this since last December?
and, without having time at this point to read the thread - was the use of a thumbring included in the proposed class specification?
I sent multiple e-mails, I filled the query box in on the site a few times and I sent a letter, no response.
I did get a response to my query about bambo arrows that said they were not legal.

I voted with my feet and I now shoot field exclusively and I am afiliated to NFAS.
GNAS have an agenda and a supporting membership and they are happy together.
Nothing wrong with that, as it works for 90% of archers.
I certainly had a great time working up to Bowman on the longbow and shooting target.

There are some other organisations out there that offer alternatives to those who want to pursue different lines.
I've decided to join one of those and I'm having a super time so far.

I'm glad there is are choices out there, and I'm glad there are people who care enough and have enough dedication to make those choices available to those, like me, who like to do something different and who don't have the energy to do everything themselves.

Si
 


tony08

New member
It's a real shame that this attempt seems to have failed. Is there any recent news?
I'll second that. I've just started shooting horse bow (previously recurve BB first class). There are several of us shooting Kaya's at our club so it would have been nice to look into a GNAS classification. I remembered seeing this thread a few years back and thought I'd check in.

We can always make one for our own internal club use but it obviously has no external validity.
 


tony08

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This would be great. Looked back but couldn't see - I take it the thumb ring would be permitted in this class?
From what I gather, there isn't a class. Regarding a thumb ring, I think GNAS consider it a release aid but the question is whether scores are improved by using one or not. I don't know that but if there is a significant difference, then this would need to be considered I suppose. Stil, its all academic by the looks of it.
 


frustratatosk

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From what I gather, there isn't a class. Regarding a thumb ring, I think GNAS consider it a release aid but the question is whether scores are improved by using one or not. I don't know that but if there is a significant difference, then this would need to be considered I suppose. Stil, its all academic by the looks of it.
It most definitely is a basic release aid. Just seems a shame not to use the bow in the traditional way. I guess you would have to shoot a field round as a compound - which would get a dismal result of course but make for a valid submission. I know that's pretty ridiculous :)
[Edit] Just as a funny observation - the deep reflex with siyahs is oddly like a compound. Drawn back to the ear it stacks a lot when the limbs approach parallel sort of like hitting a draw stop. The thumb release then becomes necessary or the arrow would hit your cheek.
 


I sent multiple e-mails, I filled the query box in on the site a few times and I sent a letter, no response.
I did get a response to my query about bambo arrows that said they were not legal.

I voted with my feet and I now shoot field exclusively and I am afiliated to NFAS.
GNAS have an agenda and a supporting membership and they are happy together.
Nothing wrong with that, as it works for 90% of archers.
I certainly had a great time working up to Bowman on the longbow and shooting target.

There are some other organisations out there that offer alternatives to those who want to pursue different lines.
I've decided to join one of those and I'm having a super time so far.

I'm glad there is are choices out there, and I'm glad there are people who care enough and have enough dedication to make those choices available to those, like me, who like to do something different and who don't have the energy to do everything themselves.

Si
hope you get on well in NFAS. :)

It's where I ended up for other reasons but I enjoy it. I shoot my Samick Mind50 in HT (Hunting Tackle) but without a thumbring. (the thing is a 60lb draw.... my thumb isn't that strong yet!)
 


Archer Dave

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I'm not a member of GNAS or even in Great Britain for that matter. Just an old guy sitting in his bow room in Korea enjoying all the talk about "horse bows". My experience has been quite exclusive to Korean hornbows and carbon look-alikes. However, enough about me or the Korean side of this subject for now.
I've only read four pages of this thread so far and something has come to mind from a couple of the contributers: that is the use of fingers or thumb rings. While the emphasis has been on what constitutes an "Asiatic recurve", a name that seems appropriate personally, some have touched on what might be two subcategories for competition: finger/finger tab or thumb/thumb ring. Back to the Korean thing. In the competitions sanctioned by the Korean National Archery Association (Korean Traditional Archery), most competitions are open, that is an archer can use any combination of hornbow or carbon with either bamboo or carbon arrows. However, there are a few competitions exclusive to hornbows and bamboo arrows. This is basically two classes within one organization. So, should there be two subclasses for "horse bow archery based on which release form one uses?"
Apology for butting into a discussion to which I have no right to be in, but which I find to be a positive move for those using bows like the ones I've come to love. All the best with this endeavor.
 


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