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oldnut

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evening all. I am going to join a local longbow club. I am a member of archery gb, but the new club are not sure if the archery gb insurance will cover me as they are not a archery gb recognised club, could anyone please help....
 
I and a few pals have hired a wood to shoot field archery in. We are all members of Archery GB but had the same problem as you with insurance.
I found a company on the web that gives instant cover very reasonably. You can have just Public Liability or add personal cover as well.

 

oldnut

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I and a few pals have hired a wood to shoot field archery in. We are all members of Archery GB but had the same problem as you with insurance.
I found a company on the web that gives instant cover very reasonably. You can have just Public Liability or add personal cover as well.

thanks I will have a look
 

TJ Mason

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evening all. I am going to join a local longbow club. I am a member of archery gb, but the new club are not sure if the archery gb insurance will cover me as they are not a archery gb recognised club, could anyone please help....
No, you won't be covered in this case. The insurance covers activities within AGB-affiliated clubs or the AGB "environment", plus promotional-type activities at schools or in the community where the activity has been approved by the AGB-affiliated club's committee. There are some further exceptions for coaches, but not for people just shooting.
 

ben tarrow

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I and a few pals have hired a wood to shoot field archery in. We are all members of Archery GB but had the same problem as you with insurance.
I found a company on the web that gives instant cover very reasonably. You can have just Public Liability or add personal cover as well.

Field archery is included in Archery GB's activities.
Why didnt you get your club to declare your wood as a recognised range? Then you would have been covered at no extra cost
 
Field archery is included in Archery GB's activities.
Why didnt you get your club to declare your wood as a recognised range? Then you would have been covered at no extra cost
For a couple of reasons Ben;

1) We don't want to form a "club" as such and want to keep it as just a few friends shooting socially. That way we can keep control of numbers and reduce hassle. There are currently nine of us and we don't want to go much beyond that. We definitely don't want a committee and titles, just everything done on a joint decision.

2) The field archery club we are members of is not run very democratically to be honest. The committee makes decisions and the "customers" are told of them. We "customers" have often made suggestions in the past and are just ignored or told "Not happening". This is why we decided to branch off on our own. We all feel that if the club was involved it would soon just become a branch of the club.

For both of the above reasons at least four of us are contemplating not renewing our club membership in April and indeed possibly giving up target shooting all together. Field is much more fun and more relaxed.
 

ben tarrow

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For a couple of reasons Ben;

1) We don't want to form a "club" as such and want to keep it as just a few friends shooting socially. That way we can keep control of numbers and reduce hassle. There are currently nine of us and we don't want to go much beyond that. We definitely don't want a committee and titles, just everything done on a joint decision.

2) The field archery club we are members of is not run very democratically to be honest. The committee makes decisions and the "customers" are told of them. We "customers" have often made suggestions in the past and are just ignored or told "Not happening". This is why we decided to branch off on our own. We all feel that if the club was involved it would soon just become a branch of the club.

For both of the above reasons at least four of us are contemplating not renewing our club membership in April and indeed possibly giving up target shooting all together. Field is much more fun and more relaxed.
I dont see the difference between a "club" and a friends shooting together. A club can be as formal or informal as you wish and its up to you who joins and who doesnt.
Except if you and your friends called yourself a "club" you could benefit from AGB (or NFAS or whatever) insurance and all the other help you can get if/when you need/want it
 
I dont see the difference between a "club" and a friends shooting together. A club can be as formal or informal as you wish and its up to you who joins and who doesnt.
Except if you and your friends called yourself a "club" you could benefit from AGB (or NFAS or whatever) insurance and all the other help you can get if/when you need/want it
I suppose it could be the negative experience we have had with the target club we are currently members of and I guess we could be called a club of sorts. We have all agreed that we don't want a hierarchical system where one persons opinion is stronger than someone else's.

As for benefits of Archery GB I don't see any. Our insurance costs us each £16 a year for Public Liability or £26 a year if you add personal injury. In four years of shooting and being a member of Archery GB I honestly can't see the benefit apart from insurance which we have sorted.
 

ben tarrow

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I suppose it could be the negative experience we have had with the target club we are currently members of and I guess we could be called a club of sorts. We have all agreed that we don't want a hierarchical system where one persons opinion is stronger than someone else's.

As for benefits of Archery GB I don't see any. Our insurance costs us each £16 a year for Public Liability or £26 a year if you add personal injury. In four years of shooting and being a member of Archery GB I honestly can't see the benefit apart from insurance which we have sorted.
The benefit of Archery GB is that you are already members, so already could have the insurance at no extra cost.
Register your club with AGB, move some of your members to the new AGB club, register your wood with AGB and you're covered.
All depends whether you're all still intending remaining members of AGB to do other AGB things like tournaments (target AND/OR field)
 
The benefit of Archery GB is that you are already members, so already could have the insurance at no extra cost.
Register your club with AGB, move some of your members to the new AGB club, register your wood with AGB and you're covered.
All depends whether you're all still intending remaining members of AGB to do other AGB things like tournaments (target AND/OR field)
Well that's the problem. Most of us are considering giving up the target club and we don't want them involved with us shooting in the woods as we know that the people running the target club would start interfering. They know that we are shooting in the wood and I don't think it will come as any surprise when we don't renew in April.
Believe me Ben there are two senior committee members that would ruin everything if they had the opportunity.

I see where you are coming from with keeping membership of Archery GB and using their insurance and will definitely look into that when we come to renew the rental of the woods in October.
 

Kernowlad

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For a couple of reasons Ben;

1) We don't want to form a "club" as such and want to keep it as just a few friends shooting socially. That way we can keep control of numbers and reduce hassle. There are currently nine of us and we don't want to go much beyond that. We definitely don't want a committee and titles, just everything done on a joint decision.

2) The field archery club we are members of is not run very democratically to be honest. The committee makes decisions and the "customers" are told of them. We "customers" have often made suggestions in the past and are just ignored or told "Not happening". This is why we decided to branch off on our own. We all feel that if the club was involved it would soon just become a branch of the club.

For both of the above reasons at least four of us are contemplating not renewing our club membership in April and indeed possibly giving up target shooting all together. Field is much more fun and more relaxed.
Me and my son did the same after a similar experience.
I think a lot of target clubs are putting people off with stuffy attitudes and painful cliqueyness.
 
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geoffretired

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I have just found this thread. I missed it because of the title and had not realised how far it had moved on.
My feeling is that what is being discussed in this thread at the moment is something many archery clubs should be reading.
I am going to struggle to explain what I mean.
When I started in archery, all I knew was that I could shoot safely and shoot rounds and go to local comps. I did all of those.
It was a very simple formula if that's the right word.
I started to get interested in beginners' courses and helped out then later started running some of them.
Still a very simple formula. Clubs need new members to top up the numbers every now and then; and to some extent it refreshes the parts other beers can't reach.
I had 25 peaceful years; and happy ones. 15 years ago I joined the committee of a new club. A club I had helped to establish while still shooting at my old club. That gave me a new interest in archery; but not a greater interest.
In the last few years things have changed "at the top". In many ways things are better; there are more things in place to help archers with all sorts of diverse issues. BUT it does seem that clubs are now being pointed towards attracting more members and going all out to make archery into a " vibrant and busy sport,"
It is good to read that archery for it's own sake is still in demand, even though it means starting your own " group".
I don't think archers should have to feel they need to break out in order to enjoy what has been available for many years already.
There is nothing wrong with big ,busy clubs if there is a call for them from the archers nearby. Equally, there is a place for the small and relaxing ones. Whose archery is it anyway?
 
It is good to read that archery for it's own sake is still in demand, even though it means starting your own " group".
I don't think archers should have to feel they need to break out in order to enjoy what has been available for many years already.
There is nothing wrong with big ,busy clubs if there is a call for them from the archers nearby. Equally, there is a place for the small and relaxing ones. Whose archery is it anyway?


Well said Geoff! There are many reasons why I am now finding shooting with pals in the woods much better that shooting at the club.

I first got into archery four years ago wanting a hobby to fill my retirement and was immediately hooked. I loved it that much that I watched hundreds of youTube videos and very probably bought a lot of stuff I didn't really need, but hey I was enjoying it.
I watched loads of videos on how to set up a recurve by Olympic coaches and archers If you've seen the one by Jake Kominski setting up a new Win & win bow made a few years ago you'll know what I mean.
Without wanting to blow my own trumpet I am now one of two people at the club who can set up a recurve bow from scratch. This prompted the club secretary ( Who did start the club from nothing to give her credit) to tell people to not listen to me and ask one of the coaches if they need to know anything. I have had this out with her but she refused to listen to me or anyone else. Suffice to say that most of the members come to me or the other member I mentioned if they need anything doing on their bow.
I have nothing against any of the coaches as I know they work hard and give their time to beginners courses etc but none of them know anything about setting up a bow. It isn't taught on a basic coaches course and it certainly isn't taught at the club. The coaches actually ask me for advice, which really gets up HER nose. I actually had a member who has been a coach for five years ask me what tiller was last week.

It seems to me that the powers that be want everyone kept in the dark and I can't understand that at all. That is probably the reason we lose so many members.
Sorry to be so long winded but I've wanted to get this off my chest for a while now.
I have now decided that I'm not going to renew my membership of the club in April and intend to give up target archery altogether to concentrate on field archery in the woods with my pals, it's just so more enjoyable. I'm not the only one not renewing, three others have said the same, for the same reasons. So if anyone wants to buy a Win & Win recurve setup there is one coming on the market soon.:rolleyes:
As you said Geoff, "Who's archery is it anyway"

Again my apologies for the rant.
 

Kernowlad

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Definitely a fair number just on this forum leaving target archery to pursue field.
I’m glad it’s not just us!
Let’s hope the field archery section on this forum picks up a bit too!
 

geoffretired

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Graham, No need to say sorry, we all want to get things said from time to time. It is right that everyone has their say, so that honest feelings can be taken into account.
The club where I shoot now, started with a group of work mates who wanted to shoot arrows just like kids in a big field. They had to make do with a smaller field, and eventually they had to come to some compromise with the rules of shooting and a few new members.
When I joined them I was an experienced archer compared to them( they were very recent beginners) I joined their committee to offer advice but on the understanding that I was not wanting to make their club into a copy of the one I had just left.
I saw ben tarrow's thoughts on "pay and play" archery. I know we are getting more beginners these days who have done some archery at a holiday venue. Places are springing up that offer archery for a day. I guess that is no bad thing as it gives them a chance to find out what shooting feels like without having to make too big a commitment right at the start.
I would not want that principle to work into our archery club, as standard practice. I simply feel that a tailor made setting is the right place for non club members.
 
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