This is NOT a heavy bow... it's just to try and illustrate the mechanics and to give you all something to argue/disagree with
while you are all stuck indoors.
while you are all stuck indoors.
Exactly... maybe I exaggerate the flaws of the T draw slightly. But it's not the start of the Tdraw that locks you up... there is no way I could have continued the T draw to the same draw length as I did with the other style.Hi Del,
When you do the T draw, you raise your arms, then stop, then start to draw from a standing start. With the other draw you are already on the move as the drawing starts. The other part of this is that the higher arms bring in stronger muscles, and the bow arm acts like a cam, moving the bow further forwards as the draw continues. With the T draw the arm just resists the bow moving back towards you.
I tried to be consistent... but I was going slow and trying to hold (something i wouldn't do if shooting)... ( I don't think target archers "take a run at it" ?).Hi Del, Yes. I can see that you were struggling, but that was partly because you were going slowly and didn't take a run at it in the same way.
If we just consider two still frames; one at 5 sec and the other at 13 sec you can see how the arms are higher in the second shot. What we can't see but can work out is that the draw elbow at 13 sec is up close to your head and in line with the arrow. At 5 sec the elbow is out to the side and not in line.You are going to use the biceps to try to start the draw.
Yes... not only do you need confidence in the bow... you need to know you can draw it. Once you've done it once, it's substantially easier the next time!Hi Del.
Something to add to our discussion that has been missed out so far.( not surprising really as it isn't 100% on topic)
When I watch the two types of draw that you demonstrated; one is full of confidence and the the looks as if you fear the bow might break.
That is not a criticism of your shooting/drawing, just something that I feel is important for anyone shooting any bow type. They need to feel confident about what they are doing. It's like watching two people hammering in nails. One is a first timer with a hammer; the other is a carpenter.
You won't need to watch the nail going into the wood or bending before it gets in, to know which person is the first time user. You can tell on the back swing, yes?
Your war bow draw is full of confidence, as you would expect. I also think it would be a good style to adopt for a recurve archer, but with a lighter draw and possible a slightly slower finish... but not too much.... that would look like hesitation.
That which is most efficient use of musculature is surely still the most efficient use of musculature regardless of the type of bow?I'm a bit confused about this comparison If I wanted to plough a field I would use a powerful shire horse. If I wanted to win a race I would use a fast thoroughbred race horse. I would not use a race horse to plough or a shire to race. Isn't this simply a case of horses for courses?
Oh... I'm not saying the high draw is not more efficient, I'm saying it is not one that best suits target archery. It was used a lot when I started back in the early eighties, but run into trouble for being dangerously high, but definitely more efficient.That which is most efficient use of musculature is surely still the most efficient use of musculature regardless of the type of bow?
Maybe okay for a long bow but if a 50lb+ recurve was to let this fly I'm not sure it would land within the 150yds overshoot. But as i said, definitely an efficient draw method. Good technique is also very important for an efficient draw.I think the " high draw " problem was that the bow arm was too high and the draw elbow too low so the arrow was over elevated at the worst time for an accident. Raising the draw elbow and lowering the bow arm compared to 80's gives a much more level draw yet still effective.
I think Del's ideas are right, but the target archer needs to have a chance to aim a litttle longer, so they don't fall into the habit of releasing as the sight is " passing the gold".
I was really saying the high bow arm and low draw elbow was dangerous and the high draw elbow with equally high bow arm, gave a level arrow and far less dangerous.Maybe okay for a long bow but if a 50lb+ recurve was to let this fly I'm not sure it would land within the 150yds overshoot.