mcmurchiegb
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Does anyone know if there is a coaches register/list including any areas of specialism's?
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Munsterman
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There is a coaching register circulated monthly to CCOs by AGB but it does not include areas of specialization.
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the-poet
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There should be a list on your county website.
It will only give the coaching level though as most coaches only seem to specialise in bad out dated advice.
It will only give the coaching level though as most coaches only seem to specialise in bad out dated advice.
Corax67
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I have a similar issue - no list on the Kent website, CCO contacted 5 weeks ago but no response from any coach as yet.
Is this normal when looking for a bit of coaching ?
It's not that my own clubs coaching isn't good but there are few coaches and many requiring coaching especially as we are well into beginners courses so I thought I could be proactive and seek out a little help - but perhaps this is why I haven't heard back (doh).
Karl
Is this normal when looking for a bit of coaching ?
It's not that my own clubs coaching isn't good but there are few coaches and many requiring coaching especially as we are well into beginners courses so I thought I could be proactive and seek out a little help - but perhaps this is why I haven't heard back (doh).
Karl
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the-poet
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My experience and one that I've seen repeated many times since is finding it difficult to get any meaningful coaching within the club structure leads to asking for "outside" or "specialist" help .
This offends those too busy to help when you asked originally and to make matters worse the help you seek isn't available either.
Leaving you with even less than before.
I'm a little older and a little wiser now.
I suspect most coaches won't invest any time in another archer because it gives a medium against which they can be measured or valued.
Telling you what you're doing wrong then leaving you to fix it however gives them a risk free way of "lording " it over you.
Most prefer to stick to beginners courses impressing the easily impressed.
Apologies to the Op for side tracking their thread but i see more bad coaching than anything else and in my opinion thats far worse than none at all.
Ideally you want to be in a small group of similar minded and motivated archers pooling resources.
I see you're in the North east, I used to visit family up there and have shot there on and off over the years.
I know of a few very knowledgeable and helpful (but not coaches) recurve archers and one good compound coach.
If that doesn't meet your requirements your in for a long drive.
This offends those too busy to help when you asked originally and to make matters worse the help you seek isn't available either.
Leaving you with even less than before.
I'm a little older and a little wiser now.
I suspect most coaches won't invest any time in another archer because it gives a medium against which they can be measured or valued.
Telling you what you're doing wrong then leaving you to fix it however gives them a risk free way of "lording " it over you.
Most prefer to stick to beginners courses impressing the easily impressed.
Apologies to the Op for side tracking their thread but i see more bad coaching than anything else and in my opinion thats far worse than none at all.
Ideally you want to be in a small group of similar minded and motivated archers pooling resources.
I see you're in the North east, I used to visit family up there and have shot there on and off over the years.
I know of a few very knowledgeable and helpful (but not coaches) recurve archers and one good compound coach.
If that doesn't meet your requirements your in for a long drive.
Munsterman
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Good point. I would say archer commitment is a bigger issue than coaches. A very good coach friend of mine took his archer out of all competition for a year and got the archer to commit to a complete retraining program. Not many archers would do that - forsaking almost all distance shooting for up to 12 months but at the end of it, and international archer emerged. Most expect the fairy dust approach to coaching and the results can be just as tenuous. Corrections and diagnosis have their place but real results require significant engagement.
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the-poet
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The type of ad hoc fire fighting or "drive by" help we've come to call coaching is not coaching at all.
This is just instruction.
This is just instruction.
Fixed that for you...
I suspect a lot of drive by coaching is "putting out the fire with gasoline".
mcmurchiegb
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Hi guys thanks for all the replies, thought provoking. I'm not into quick fixes or fire fighting issues what I would like is a known respected equipment coach, I now what I Want from my form and have a trusted archer to help me with that, but that said I think its also a good idea if you can find a respected coach from further afield to periodically cast an eye over you form, a fresh pair of skilled eyes as it were. The aim being to shoot more better arrows, and let the scores take care of themselves ��
ieuan_johns
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We don't have many proper coaches in this country, but then we also have very few archers who really want to be coached. Most want someone to come along and give them a magic bullet to fix their problems without putting in the effort required to go back to scratch if needed.
Almost all decent level archers (and athletes in any sport really) know what is involved in created a good technique and have the tools to largely do it themselves (cheap video camera and a laptop will go a long way), coaches are generally only there to help with education, the mental side of things and forcing an athlete to keep to an agreed plan.
Instead most would prefer to tweak here or there but always with the compromise of still being ready for the next competition in a fortnight. This is one reason why national programs tend to work with youngsters, get to them before they get into this cycle.
Almost all decent level archers (and athletes in any sport really) know what is involved in created a good technique and have the tools to largely do it themselves (cheap video camera and a laptop will go a long way), coaches are generally only there to help with education, the mental side of things and forcing an athlete to keep to an agreed plan.
Instead most would prefer to tweak here or there but always with the compromise of still being ready for the next competition in a fortnight. This is one reason why national programs tend to work with youngsters, get to them before they get into this cycle.
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the-poet
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The idea of equipment coaches (or super tuners) is a very American concept largely aimed at the compound hunting market.
"Send me your bow and i'll send it back shooting the same hole"
Trouble is the bow doesn't shoot the spot, the archer does.
If you're talking kit selection then it's really just a case of trying and evaluating each thing on its own yourself as there is no standard by which any of these things are measured for comparison.
Yes it's very time consuming and expensive.
If you're talking about set up then use the manufacturers guidance. This could be done by someone else for you and is a valuable and worthwhile step often omitted.
If you're talking about tuning ( different thing to set up ) then you're really down the rabbit hole.
Someone (or even a book, google easton tuning guide) can guide you but only you can tune your equipment as the process is simply about matching the set up to your own way of shooting.
I'd be wary of any coach who doesn't understand archery equipment enough to guide you through this.
You don't say what level you shoot at but l wouldn't put too much emphasis on tuning or equipment as a well set up decent bow is as about as good as it gets until you're 550 plus on either an 18m or 720.
"Send me your bow and i'll send it back shooting the same hole"
Trouble is the bow doesn't shoot the spot, the archer does.
If you're talking kit selection then it's really just a case of trying and evaluating each thing on its own yourself as there is no standard by which any of these things are measured for comparison.
Yes it's very time consuming and expensive.
If you're talking about set up then use the manufacturers guidance. This could be done by someone else for you and is a valuable and worthwhile step often omitted.
If you're talking about tuning ( different thing to set up ) then you're really down the rabbit hole.
Someone (or even a book, google easton tuning guide) can guide you but only you can tune your equipment as the process is simply about matching the set up to your own way of shooting.
I'd be wary of any coach who doesn't understand archery equipment enough to guide you through this.
You don't say what level you shoot at but l wouldn't put too much emphasis on tuning or equipment as a well set up decent bow is as about as good as it gets until you're 550 plus on either an 18m or 720.
mcmurchiegb
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I have done both and some a few years ago that's because I've been out of archery for over ten years, but when I was doing archery back then I went to a well known archery shop in Holland (far end of) to get a new set of Hoyt limbs, the grand farther who did not speak English put a new string on with the new limbs watched me shoot a few arrows then took the bow away for a few minutes, back, shot a few more he took the bow tweak, back, job done, back home seen my coach who I still trust (but who is not well these days) took a look, did a walk back test, some shooting at different distances with some nice groups and arrow flight, after which he said he couldn't have done a better job and was suitably impressed.
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the-poet
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Did he tell you not to get it wet or feed it after midnight?
mcmurchiegb
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And to do it at weekends only ��
On the subject of coaches, for those of you who are little younger, I was wondering if anyone has ever taught archery at a summer camp? I am not overly experienced but it is something that I would like to aim to do in summer 2017, possibly. I found this Archery Instructor Jobs in America | Target sports | Camp Leaders UK but was wondering if anyone else had any other suggestions?
I personally haven't, but several members of my club have (or are going to this year), and they usually report things back to me. You don't need any experience in coaching (although knowing how to is a benefit, so practising on experienced archers can be helpful, or getting a coach/teacher to give you a primer on teaching), the equipment will probably be fairly poor (I've only ever seen jelly bows and makeshift targets/nets), and you'll be dealing with a multitude of young people (it's not a single 8-10 week camp, it's many week long camps), so the extent of knowledge passed on is basically end of beginners course, probably not even that far. I'd say if you've been shooting for at least 6 months, you'll be fine, so don't worry about "I've got to get my leaders/level 1/level 2 before I go".
Beyond that, it's exhausting, but rewarding, to the point that I sometimes regret not doing it. Also, particularly in some camps, the food can be very restricted. A couple of them went veggie for a few weeks because they got so bored of chicken.
If you've any specific questions, I can probably get some answers to them.